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Wednesday, May 27, 2015

News: JBL Flip 3 coming soon - shrinked JBL Charge 2?



It seems Dutch Mediamarkt leaked a video of the upcoming JBL Flip 3, as there has been no official announcement yet.
In contrast to the farting bassreflex port of the previous versions that were not able to produce any bass worth mentioning, the Flip 3 uses the same dual passive radiator design of the Charge 2 and rather looks like a shrinked version of it, but the Flip 3 is claimed to be waterproof with support for wireless pairing of several speakers (maybe up to 3 as the video suggests). I am not quite sure if stereo pairing with 2 speakers is also possible, but this would be great. If the JBL Flip 3 manages to sound as serious as the JBL Charge 2 which is to be assumed as the acoustic design looks very familiar, then the JBL Flip 3 might become a very serious portable speaker and a much better alternative to all this UE junk out there.


It will be available in 8 colors and comes with a handy wrist strap. Of course no information about availability nor price yet, but I guess it will be announced soon and come to the stores this summer.

35 comments:

  1. It looks very nice and if it will be possible to do stereo pairing it would be a great solution for many. Also let's hope it has Apt-X and AAC/MP3 codecs built in :)

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    1. I wouldn't bet on AptX, would be the first JBL speaker to support it. I am not sure but I guess the Charge 2 already supports AAC.

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  2. JBL already produces the Charge 2+, which I've found in a couple of youtube videos, example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBCwgv0usMc.

    This video (and another by the same person) notes these improvements over the Charge 2: improved DSP at lower volumes (!), louder max volume, rubber chassis shell instead of plastic, splash resistance, and some cosmetic tweaks.

    Perhaps worth a review? The DSP improvements might make it a viable Envaya Mini alternative, with larger size/weight offset by better bass extension and battery life.

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    1. I have a charge 2+ at home right now, it sounds exactly equal to the charge 2 no difference at all, also loudness is equal, all those claims are bogus. The shell was also rubbered on the charge 2 they both feel exactly the same. Even the rear ports on the charge 2+ are completely open I really wonder how they intend to keep it protected against water.
      If you happen to have problems at low levels with your charge 2, you need to update the firmware to 141, this eliminates all problems.

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    2. Hey Oluv!
      Does the Charge 2+ also have DSP issues at low volumes? Do you think it's worth to buy the Charge 2+ instead of the Charge 2?

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    3. Hey Oluv!
      Does the Charge 2+ also have DSP issues at low volumes? Do you think it's worth to buy the Charge 2+ instead of the Charge 2?

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  3. How to update if i buy an old model??

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  4. The Charge2+ has improvements in DEEP and INTENSIVE Bass but it´s exactly the same as the Charge2.
    Charge2+ doesn´t have any DSP Problems like it was on some of Charge2 speakers.

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  5. It´s really worth to buy the Charge2/+ but it seems like Flip3 is the same as Charge2 in Sound Quality, only Flip3 is smaller and has improvements in Design and it will be Waterproof too.. HMM THE NEW AND BETTER UE BOOM? ;D

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    1. I am also curious to hear if the Flip 3 will sound any different, but I think that the battery will be much worse. The old Flip hardly managed 5-6 hours at any volume, the JBL Charge 2 manages 6:30 at maximum volume... the Flip 3 will probably have a much shorter battery life, it can't charge external devices either.

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  6. The bass should not be as good as the JBL Charge 2/Charge2+: Frequency range 85-20000 Hz.

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    1. still better than all he other boom crap.

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  7. Hi,
    the Flip3 is now available at the austrian Jbl Store!!
    Really curious about your Review as it looks really promising!?
    The dimensions are 15mm smaller in both diam. and length - but it should have 2x8W Output power according to jbl's data sheet!
    This would be more than the 15W which theCharge 2 has!??
    Hope to heare more from you soon regarding the flip3
    cheers
    Should this be true???

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    1. "Should this be true?? " should be just after "....15W which the Charge2 has! " ;-)

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    2. it is louder than the Charge 2 and sounds perfectly clean at max. volume without distortion or compression, but it sounds tinny. The sound is solid but compared to the Charge 2 bass is lacking. It doesn't even come quite close to the Denon Envaya Mini regarding bass-response, although they are similar. So it is definitely better than most of the competition but it is no game changer on the market especially regarding the asked price. If it was 79-99€ it could be pretty competitive, but not for 129.
      I think it might compare well against the UE Boom, although I still think the UE Boom might be louder.

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  8. Oh thanks for your Impression!
    Sad to hear that is no alternative for the denon Envaya mini!
    Now my waiting goes on for the Envaya mini - it's sold out everywhere (maybe due to your great Review!! ;-) )
    Or i just grab the Charge 2, but it's quite big compared tho the ohter 2 mentioned!

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    1. they are close but the Denon still has the edge especially deepness of bass and of course stereo image is much better. at low levels the Denon sounds fuller and more serious they become closer at levels above half and with some songs i sometimes even preferred the Flip3, because it remained punchy, while the Denon started to muddle the song a bit. When the Denon is playing at maximum the Flip3 is still some notches below and I think this is where it finally has an edge, they have similar amount of bass then, but the Flip3 has no distortion etc, the Denon can sound a bit forced then. I think the Flip3 is a pretty decent speaker and it has advantages over the Denon because it sounds clearer, also off-axis, while the Denon can become muffled. Also the ability to pair 2 for stereo gives you much more freedom, I could pair it even with the Xtreme, although only "party"-mode was available then, no stereo. For me the Flip3 has 2 quirks: The first volume step is too loud, on iOS devices volume control is mirrored and the first step is definitely too loud. also the new welcome tones are too loud and unnecessary, i would prefer it completely without tones.

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    2. Hi oluv,

      could you please make a comparison video between the Flip 3 and Denon Envaya Mini
      because I am really confuse, deciding to buy between these 2 portable speaker maybe the Flip 3 can be a alternative?
      the Denon envaya mini is sold out everywhere in germany and maybe going to be restock around august.

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    3. i will i just cannot do everything at once.

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    4. Ok thanks a lot!!!
      I will wait for the video :)
      but considering I listen to lot of electronics music, which one is better between the two (denon envaya mini or jbl flip 3)?
      considering the envaya mini now cost at 115€ at germany and I will have to wait until august, whereas the flip 3 is likely to hit the store around this week or next week and cost at 129€

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    5. why don't you take the Charge 2? It has greater bass than both and should do the trick for electronic music.

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    6. thank you oluv for your suggestion :) , maybe I will consider taking the charge 2 as my choice, I will get my hands on the product tomorrow, to see how big the charge 2 is, because I still considering the portability of the speaker...

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  9. hmmm... now it sounds quite equal, one has Advantages her, the other there.....
    Maybe they are so close that just the personal impression tells which one suits better!
    One big Advantage should be the runtime of the flip3 over the denon mini? Do you have tested it yet?

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  10. Hi , i'm looking for a speaker around 140 euros . I wan't it enough loud to enjoy the music outside , with enough bass too .
    I wonder if i should take the flip 3 , the charge 2 or the denon envaya mini ?? Can you help me .

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  11. How much does it cost

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    1. 129€, but some german retailers already had it for 89€, I think MediMax still has it for 89€ but you have to pick it up, they don't ship.

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  12. Hi Oluv, thank you for your reviews and also for all of your and statements on Amazon, youtube,... - I already spent hours with reading them and listening, ..., ordering, ... Ordered 2 of the flips (since I am spoiled by my ue boom stereo setup, I can only accept Stereo setup anymore...) and they arrived last week. At the beginning they sounded great and I already wanted to sell the loved and hated ue booms on ebay, when I started to hear distortion in the heights at the flips. Now I hear it in almost every piece of music. – I think I will have to send them back. My question to you: Did you also experienced distortion (in low volume and in high volume) at your flips? It’s very pronounced and noticeable when playing music with lots of heights in. Greetings, Rudi

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    1. well, that's hard to answer as I had 2 Flip 3 and as you probably noticed the black unit had some temperature related problems, but in reality it sounded better than the yellow unit I am having now. The yellow one has boosted upper treble, there is a stronger boost at around 16khz and when very bassheavy tracks are played you can hear intermodulation with the treble, I didn't notice that with the black unit, the treble was smoother and rolled off earlier without this strong peak at the upper end. So it might be sample variation, I don't know. But so far I only noticed it at levels above 3/4 and as already mentioned with very bass heavy tracks only. Can you name some sample tracks so that I can have a listen? Also let me know which volume step is needed to reproduce this distortion you are hearing.

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    2. I bought the black version today. It sounds great. No issues so far. Fingers crossed.

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  13. I found the Charge 2+ for €109 ($120 with today's exchange rate). At this price, would you take it or the Flip 3, or wait for the Riva S? I am most interested in clean, undistorted, full sound at both quiet (for background music) and room filling volumes.

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    1. I woud go for the Charge 2+, especially for that price. The RIVA S will cost more than twice as much, and although maybe better sounding, I doubt most will be willing to pay double the price for that difference.
      I still haven't heard a final RIVA S production model, but it is supposed to arrive in September. As soon as I can get my hands on it, I will post some video or other info.
      For really low levels I liked the Sony SRS-X33 a lot, especially with the "sound"-option it sounded very impressive. But it starts to distort at levels above half, for higher levels the JBL is definitely the better option, you should also hear it from my comparison video.

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  14. Thank you very much. Listening to your videos, I thought I liked the fuller midrange of the Flip 3 better, but the deeper low end of the Charge 2 is very nice as well. Why can't someone just make the perfect speaker? And, do it for less than $150?

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    1. the HK Onyx Studio can be had way below 150$ and it sounds impressive, but not quite small anymore haha

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    2. Thanks, Oluv. Do you know what HK updated for the Onyx Studio 2? I can't seem to find anything about it.

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  15. I have the Charge 2+. Would you go trade for the flip 2? I really like the sound quality of the charge 2+

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